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WoK Practice Intensive: March 18, 2007


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Piet's Summary

I realized how any and all investigations are concerned with investigating what happens in time. Now the working hypothesis posits that time is not ultimately real. So we are invited to switch our investigations from what happens in time to investigating time itself.

But how to investigate if the investigation is not already based on time, on time flowing, on taking time to investigate? Paradox of paradoxes.

The person I normally identify with lives squarely in time, so that little person clearly can't do it. Than what can? Learning to listen . . . learning to be . . . unlearning . . .

Responses

Jake, Maria and others have mentioned the possibility that the wh might not be true, an interesting notion to consider. What would be the consequences? If the world would not be empty and timeless, then what? What could possibly be the solid foundation that it would rest on? If time or self would be absolute, what would that mean? Rather than focusing on the emotional reaction to various notions (scary, attractive, soothing, repulsive), how about just trying to really picture what a world would be like in which the wh would be true, or in which the wh would be false? Really seeing that could already provide the solution, like with any koan!

Frank, yes, that makes sense, to see reality at the same time as illusory (in what it seems to present) and as real (as the very nature of what it IS). However, to call the latter a form of manifestation can easily form a subtle trap. What is being manifested, and what is the process of manifesting? If there is no -ing then why the -ation? If there is an -ing as in manifesting, doesn't that already suppose time and happening and process? How can it be other than relative, an illusion amidst illusions? When we talk about two truths, one relative and one absolute, or one illusionary and one real, we run the big risk to pick and choose between two forms of illusion, promoting one and demoting another. The IS is totally totally totally different from manifesting, and hence manifestation. While we may use such words, tentatively, the real challenge is to see what IS, beyond what those words would seem to imply.

As for combining devotion and working with the wh, yes, I, too, am all for that, and I am doing that myself as well, on a daily basis. However, my point was that we should not use the lable "wh" for all and everything that we like to work with. Devotion is fine, but to call it "working with the wh" is, I think, misleading. Let us try to be precise, and ask ourselves what it really means, to work with the wh. Working with the wh may trigger devotion, and in turn may be inspired by devotion, but the two are different, at least as long as we use language and concepts, which we are doing in these writings.

By the way, you mentioned a wh variant of "I am already enlightened and perfect, right here, right now, just as I am." This cannot be true. There is no "I" that can be enlightened or perfect, there is no "I" that "am". You gave a great description of the `aha' insight that you could drop the thoughts that were telling you that you were not perfect. But that is one step. A much bigger step is to drop the "I" that is posited as having any thoughts whatsoever. It is this huge distinction that we're after. This is far more than a play of words. This is life and death. Or better: this is the difference between life and death, on the one hand, and the unborn on the other.

I'm telling this to myself as much as I am telling it to you and everyone else. It is easy to hear and to repeat these words; to really see it and live it and thoroughly let it penetrate is something else altogether . . . a lifelong task and celebration.


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